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Plus, early retirement’s moral crossroads

Howdy! Today, I’m sharing an end-of-year note (like Buffett’s annual letter, but with more zest and mixed metaphors), before everyone starts LARPing their jobs for the next two weeks.

Also, apropos of nothing, it’s important to me that you know this news story exists:

A raccoon laying facing down on the ground beside a toilet.Associated Press.

You know what? Hell yeah. The “Florida Man” of the animal kingdom. May we all bless our nearest holiday celebrations with this level of commitment to a good time.

The Money with Katie Show

She Retired at 32. Then Came Guilt—and a Moral Crossroads.

A picture of Rebecca Herbst and Katie Gatti Tassin that says,

Rebecca Herbst reached financial independence at age 32 during the tenuous early days of the pandemic, volunteering shortly thereafter to be furloughed from her job in commercial real estate—and so began her (extremely) early retirement.

But spending her days exactly as she wanted had an unexpected side effect: guilt. What do you owe to others when money is no longer an important personal consideration? Rebecca alchemized this sense of duty and founded Yield & Spread. As she tells it, “The financial independence community—and the personal finance world in general—is growing big time. What are we going to do as a community with all this wealth once we build it? What does life look like 10 years from now in terms of the legacy of the personal finance world?” In detail, we cover:

  • What her “FI-lanthropy” pledge entails
  • How she squares the desire to retire early with the idea of “hoarding money”
  • Where Rebecca gives for the highest impact
  • Who donor-advised funds might make sense for, and how they work
  • How to donate appreciated stock, and why it can be preferable to giving cash

Listen now to this uplifting conversation.

In Katie's Words

I’ve had this letter planned since the first quarter of 2025, but now that it’s time to write it, I have no idea how to do so without going blind from gazing too intently at my own navel. (Nevertheless, she persisted.) At the start of this year, I color-coded a blank editorial calendar. Every empty green cell represented an idea I’d need to bring to life in audio or print.

A blank editorial calendar.My view on the first week of January 2025.

Sometime following the sugar crash of book publication in late June, I slammed into a wall of fatigue. One Sunday afternoon when I was trying (and failing) to write a new piece, my frustration spit me out onto the sidewalk surrounding my building, where I paced for the next hour, panicking about the many remaining green cells and few remaining ideas with which to fill them. Moments like those—when empty, slender rectangles glared blankly from the screen—tempted me to abandon my self-imposed publishing goals, always dangling some material regurgitation plan (and related justification) for coasting through the end of the year with less effort.

The barrier to such an approach was that the idea of producing something just for the sake of producing it felt more unbearable than fatigue; worse than pointless. By the time I was crossing the threshold of my apartment again that Sunday night, I had decided that clumsily forging ahead was the only option that would allow me to write this end-of-year letter with a sense of accomplishment. Late into that evening, I wrote “That Funny Feeling.”

A full editorial calendar.This is how I imagine someone feels after finishing a marathon they almost quit halfway through.

I find myself wanting to thank you, like this is some sort of goodbye speech. Of course it isn’t; after I regain ownership of Money with Katie on January 1, you will continue to receive this newsletter as usual on the first Wednesday of 2026 (although it will no longer come from a Morning Brew email address, and will probably look a little different). Regardless, this remains, in so many ways, the end of an era that changed my life.

Four Decembers ago—when I was approximately two years into self-publishing impassioned screeds about tax planning on my Squarespace website—I made a choice that felt both obvious and risky. Obvious, in that I knew selling my business to a successful media company for a guaranteed income and healthcare was the golden goose I should cage before it wised up and flew south for the winter, but risky in that it would be a dismissal of the altogether different career in UX writing I had just spent the last several years carefully stitching together. My reality at that moment was that there’d be no going back, and it was the sound of doors to other paths clicking shut around me that scored my quiet moments of doubt. (I was right about the “no going back” part, though not in the way I thought.)

On some level, I always suspected building my home within someone else’s mansion was always going to be a long and critical—but ultimately temporary—development strategy. Working on Diabolical Lies (my other podcast, owned by Mouthy Media, which I cofounded in mid-2024) was an undeniable reminder of how addictive it is to build something from scratch with full autonomy. It’s the same compulsion that made the first 20 months of Money with Katie so all-consuming and romantic. This year I finally accepted that the border collie tail-chasing in my mind is a permanent resident, who, without anything to chew on, is liable to start gnawing the furniture. With the big change looming closer, I’ve had a hard time sleeping the last few weeks.

Consciously, I feel hyperengaged and overprepared, like the first day of school is around the corner and mom already sprung for the jumbo pack of G-2 pens. Subconsciously, however, the photonegative of this thrill is deep uncertainty. My body began rebelling in weird ways this summer, shortly after that Sunday afternoon spent wearing the sidewalks thin. My digestive system forgot how to process food. A week-long migraine left me feeling so disoriented that I eventually shuttled myself to the emergency room, where I had a bad reaction to an antipsychotic drug that induced an agonizing restlessness and sense of being trapped inside my body for hours. (Afterward, I learned this reaction is called akathisia, which can happen with dopamine blockers. My sister-in-law, an emergency room doctor, took one look at my discharge paperwork and said, “I always know when this is happening because the patient rips out their IVs and elopes from the ER.”)

The experience introduced a fear of my own mind that emerged relentlessly over the following months. In September, I remember sitting in a hotel room in New York City and staring out the window at the cramped skyscrapers across the street as an invisible tsunami of panic began descending. Outwardly, I researched hormonal shifts and began getting acupuncture. Privately, I started to wonder if the last five years were catching up with me, like I had mortgaged my ability and the lender was finally calling in the loan.

The decision to stop producing The Money with Katie Show was, in that respect, an obvious one, which announced itself peacefully one afternoon while I did research for an interview. (I don’t remember the topic.) After four years and hundreds of episodes, I think most people would reach a point where they feel they’ve said what they wanted to say; asked the questions worth asking. The show’s numbers have never been better, and it feels gratifying to leave the party while people are still dancing.

At some point around Thanksgiving when I took off three consecutive days for the first time since March, the resultant empty blocks of my schedule allowed me to notice a pattern in the way I was thinking about The Future. The Future was a galaxy far, far away where I would commence living my Real Life, while this—this life right now—was like an infinite night before vacation, full of anticipation and projection. It was easy to postpone big decisions, because those were the trappings of that special occasion of The Future, not the liminal space of the now. Mostly, I wanted to avoid committing to anything that couldn’t be easily reversed, to prevent any more of those doors from clicking shut. But for what occasion was I waiting? Once I noticed this was how I had been unconsciously orienting, I was horrified. When would this so-called Real Life begin? What if this destination, The Future, did not exist, and instead I was landlocked inside the only life in the solar system, the one I was already living? What then?

This way of relating to reality is not altogether different from the methodology and logic of financial independence (or, if you prefer, boilerplate retirement planning). Your working life is just the diligent dress rehearsal, week after week spent with that favored, amnesiac refrain of adulthood: “After this week, things will slow down.” I will enjoy my life later. I will live how I want to then. For all of 2025, I said, “After this year, things will slow down.” This is another way of saying, Later, when my real life begins, things will feel good.

The prospect of having a more open schedule promises both relief and unease. Relief because I really do want things to slow down; unease because what if, after they do, things do not “feel good?” For me, this is less about feeling good and more about craft. All along, my thesis has been this: With more time, the caliber of my creative output will improve. It will be better. I will be better. The fear, then, is downstream of finally confronting the outcome of that closely held hypothesis. In some ways, it’s easier not to run the experiment at all: to keep the mastery or contentment or fulfillment preserved in the amber of “someday” means never needing to find out if your theory is nothing more than a comforting mirage. The unrealized promise held at arm’s length is Schrödinger’s life change, representing another lever you could pull, a ready-made explanation for why you are not yet the person you hoped to be. The potential of an untested hypothesis is preferable by far to a negative result.

I can recall only one other time when I felt this same apprehension: four Decembers ago, when my previously cherished hypothesis—if I were doing this full-time and not as a side hustle, it would work—was about to be put to the test. If it failed, I’d be something worse than a failure: a fool in need of a new theory. But because of you, dedicated readers who lend me your attention week after week, gratitude is in order. Your generosity is the reason why I’ve become courageous enough to run the experiment anew. Thank you.

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Personal Finance
Personal Finance.

If you inherited a Traditional IRA from someone other than your spouse in 2020 or later, it’s probably worth brushing up on the withdrawal requirements before the end of the year. TL;DR: You have 10 years to deplete the account, but this is the first year the IRS will be enforcing the withdrawal requirements for beneficiaries of people who were already taking required minimum distributions (typically, this means people who were older than 72 when they died). The IRS has been waiving the penalty—25% of the required amount—for the last four years, but no more Mr. Nice Fed. This is so pathetically complicated that I almost feel guilty calling your attention to it. (Fidelity)

A flow chart for Inherited IRA rules.I found this flow chart from a wealth management firm moderately clarifying. (Howe & Rusling)

Nothing but ire and skepticism for the private equity firms sniffing around 401(k) balances (and lobbying accordingly) for their next source of cash, now that it’s harder to come by. As Michael Green wrote in Part Two of his viral series, “By stuffing Private Equity into 401(k)s, they are solving their liquidity problem with your retirement money. You are serving as the direct exit liquidity for the ruling class.” I’ll be sticking to my index funds, thanks. (Wall Street Journal)

Bilt Rewards, a program best known for allowing users to earn points on rent, is launching a new card in February that will allow you to earn points on “eligible mortgage payments,” too, regardless of your lender. It appears existing cardholders will need to opt in and reapply for a new line of credit if they want this perk. Based on what we know now, this seems huge, so I’ll be watching this rollout. (Nerdwallet)

I’m still not convinced we’re having the right conversation about the culpability that influencers bear for shaping our cultural shopping habits (the conclusions feel too obvious and pat; how convenient to assign blame to individual young women rather than advertising departments of billion-dollar companies), but this piece taught me that marketers believe the magic number—how many times a product must cross your feed before you’re likely to transact—is seven. (The Verge)

Economic Policy
Economic Policy.

⚕️ It’s only one poll, but as the clogged arteries in the heart of the US’s dysfunctional healthcare system calcify further, Democrats and Republicans alike express support for the quadruple bypass of fixes: Medicare for All. 65% of voters either “strongly” or “somewhat” support a single-payer system that would trade our patchwork of cartels private health insurance companies for a tax increase. This number should be even higher. I’ll work on it. (Jacobin)

A chart showing support for Medicare for All.Data for Progress.

Remember that essay about how big families are a status symbol now? The evidence continues to mount. This study out of the Netherlands found that increasing home prices are correlated with increased fertility for homeowners, but only those who have owned for more than three years. Renters in more expensive housing markets, on the other hand, demonstrate “decreased fertility.” Immediately, I’m thinking about selection bias. Is it possible that folks who intend to have children are more likely to buy homes? (European Journal of Population)

The White House reportedly plans to allow the export of certain Nvidia chips to China, though only the ones that are “roughly 18 months behind its most advanced offerings.” I won’t pretend to know the Machiavellian game theory at play behind withholding or providing US technology to China, but my first thought was: Well, that’s one way to justify an absurd valuation. (Semafor)

🪢 New Mexico is, once again, out here proving you can just try stuff (recall their universal childcare announcement earlier this year). Santa Fe is officially the first US city to tie its minimum wage to inflation and “fair market rental prices.” Beginning in 2027, the minimum wage will become $17.50, increasing pay for 20% of the city’s workforce. One affected resident, 42-year-old construction worker Diego Ortiz, told the AP the change would allow his children to focus on their education, since “his son is having to delay school so he can work and save money.” (Associated Press)

culture
Culture.

This story about parents who opt out of giving holiday gifts to their children interested me because of my aversion to clutter, but it would’ve been cool to hear from the kids in these “no gift” households. Is Little Debbie pissed? (The Cut)

While this isn’t the sort of thing I typically listen to, this two-hour interview with Penn Badgley was the soundtrack for my Saturday Morning Clean. His metaphor for the difference between falling in love and staying in a relationship—which he likens to the experience of visiting a beautiful botanical garden, then becoming the master gardener and learning how to tend to the space—will stick with me. (Mighty Pursuit)

Reporting back from my first foray into the Literacy Box I told you about in last week’s issue. I just finished The Empathy Exams, an essay collection by Leslie Jamison that Caro told me “would change the way I think about essay collections.” Can confirm.

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